by Damozel | Joe Klein has written a useful piece on the Bush administration's policy of permitting torture in situations when they and their operatives decided torture was authorized. In addition to all the other evidence which has mounted up, the Senate Armed Services Committee released what Klein calls "the most definitive official account" just before Christmas.
Klein calls the executive summary "infuriating," which strikes me as not exactly le mot juste. According to me, more accurate words include: horrifying, scarifying, disgusting, nauseating, and most of all, cowardly and---yes--- un-American.
Klein reminds us of one fact on which most experienced interrogators seem to agree:
And of history:
And of how Bush & Co. made these practices into a policy:
I'm glad Joe Klein gets this. He's been wrong about a lot of things, but at least he's got this one right. Some people never will.
Poor Joe Klein, who has been somewhat more awake these past few months than he used to be, writes about President Bush’s authorization of torture, “his single most callous and despicable act. It stands at the heart of the national embarrassment that was his presidency.”
Is, Joe. He’s still POTUS, for a few more days. But we’re at the same place on the torture question. You absolutely cannot find a right-winger with half a clue why the rest of us are upset about torture.
I've commented on numerous occasions about the Bush administration's policy on torture. I'm not going to repeat what I've already said about all the ways in which it's wrong----never mind ineffective.
Some people think that history will remember Bush more kindly than do the American people who are now looking back on the next eight years. I can only hope that they're wrong. I trust that the full truth will eventually sink in.
What Americans of the future will remember about born-again Bush's regime is---among other failures--- his administration's abandonment of the principles of christianity, decency, democracy and of civilized nations, to its (one can only hope) everlasting shame.
Memeorandum has more commentary on the Klein article here.
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Torture---we must do whatever is necessary to keep this country safe. The agruement that if we mistreat the terrorist then they will in turn mistreat our guys if they capture them is bullshi....t--they just torture and then cut off the heads of their prisoners. So give me a break.
Posted by: Ron Russell | January 09, 2009 at 11:50 AM
History and experience prove that you're mistaken. Sad.
Posted by: Buck Naked Politics | January 09, 2009 at 03:27 PM
HI Ron,
Another issue: many military experts have said that torture is not effective, if only because such duress can compel people to make up intel simply to stop the torturing.
Posted by: Buck Naked Politics | January 10, 2009 at 03:49 PM
Test comment
Posted by: Buck Naked Politics | January 10, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Test comment: name only.
Posted by: Buck Naked Politics | January 10, 2009 at 03:50 PM
Bad intel. if often better than no intel. All information has to be checked out. Would you have us sit down with these people for months to gain their trust, only in the end to have them tell us of some terrible event that happened a week before that could have been prevented by aggresive interrogation. And when have these people spared the life of an american soldier---this is a new type of conflict for the U.S., not many historical standards to guide us on this one. And let us be honest about things--the United States and all countries have always tortured to get information--the Am. Rev.,Civil War, Spanish American War,WWI,WWII,Korean Conflict,Vietnam---in every case its been done!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ron Russell | January 12, 2009 at 04:04 PM