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May 06, 2008

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Adam

Turns out that Hillary's ad team out-did Obama's ad team by a long shot.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/berni_mccoy/321

It's one thing to lazily picking out a line from an editorial without looking closely at the content. It's another to fabricate a fake newspaper article.

D. Cupples

Adam,

I just looked at that link. I don't get what you're saying. And does your point relate to the point that my post makes?

Or are you just saying, "See, Hillary does bad things too"?

If so, it doesn't relate to my point, because mine specifically hinges on the fact that Obama has repeatedly (and falsely) claimed that he doesn't play nasty, old politics.

I don't excuse Hillary's Bosnia-related misleading based on the many misleading statements that Obama has made, so it would be hard for me to accept someone's else excusing Obama's misleading based on Hillary's having done similar.

If you're not attempting to do that, then please just IGNORE what I said. :)

Adam

I already responded to your point on the gas tax thread - basically, it looks like a stupid mistake by a staffer, but it changes literally nothing. They could have picked from dozens of other quotes, and someone lazily picked one without looking too closely at the context.

Incidentally, I'm not sure you're aware of this, but the quote only ran in Indiana. The North Carolina version used a quote from the NC governor in stead.

My point is that the Obama ad mistake is easily explained away - someone was looking for a replacement quote for the Indiana version of the ad, and grabbed something without reading the article. The Clinton campaign ad, on the other hand, involves deliberately misleading the viewer - creating a newspaper headline that, in reality, never existed.

It's not "Hillary's campaign is just as bad". It's "your accusation does not apply to Obama's campaign, but it DOES apply to Hillary's campaign".

As an aside, neither of these rise anywhere near the level of the Hillary/Tuzla thing. These mistakes/deceptions were carried out by (probably low-level) staffers. I'd be shocked if either Obama or Clinton were directly involved in making the ads. I'm guessing they watched them one time for final approval and that's it.

D. Cupples

Adam,

"My point is that the Obama ad mistake is easily explained away - someone was looking for a replacement quote for the Indiana version of the ad, and grabbed something without reading the article. The Clinton campaign ad, on the other hand, involves deliberately misleading the viewer - creating a newspaper headline that, in reality, never existed."

See, I disagree. I think that Obama's campaign deliberately tried to mislead viewers of the ad into believing that an "expert" at the NYT (i.e., Krugman) had criticized Hillary with the quote, when in fact Krugman was criticizing McCain.

You find it easy to explain away, but that's often the case when we talk about questionable actions of the Obama campaign.

I STILL DON'T understand the Hillary ad that you sent me to. I told you that after I looked at it.

Tuzla was worse than the Krugman ad, in a way. However, Tuzla does't rise to the level of Obama's repeated deceptions about special-interest money.

I know, you explain that away, but I CAN'T.

The purported refusal to take special-interest dollars is at the root of Obama's CLAIM that he's new and different and not playing the same game that Hillary and McCain play.

In fact, Obama has just found a back-door way to play the same game.

It's important, because Obama got a lot of supporters because they bought the (false) line about his being new and different and clean when he's not.

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