Posted by Damozel |Here's what Clinton said to some North Carolina veterans:
I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country...And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." (Breitbart)
Whereupon this McPeak, "a former chief of staff of the Air Force and currently a co-chair of Obama's presidential campaign, said:
"'I grew up, I was going to college when Joe McCarthy was accusing good Americans of being traitors, so I've had enough of it,' McPeak said." (Breitbart)
If he can compare Bill Clinton to Joe McCarthy, something is seriously wrong with his memory.
According to the piece, the Clinton campaign quickly clarified the comments, which is more than McPeak or this ridiculous, absurd comparison deserve. ""In a posting on Hillary Rodham Clinton's Web site Friday, the campaign said the former president was simply talking about the need to keep the race focused on issues, "rather than falsely questioning any candidate's patriotism."".(Breitbart)
Note that a large segment of the population currently is falsely questioning Obama's patriotism---I say "falsely" because I think to do so is abject nonsense that all Democrats should scorn to indulge in---so it's quite possible that this is exactly what Bill Clinton meant to imply. Or maybe this was just another somewhat maladroit statement that came out all wrong.
I don't care. The most strategic and productive way for the Obama campaign to have responded would have been to with their trademark faked-up outrage. Instead, they immediately made his comment sort of beside the point by saying something much, much worse.
Anyway, despite the Clinton campaign's attempted clarification, McPeak remained 'skeptical.'
"It's a use of language as a disguised insult. We've seen this before, this little clever spin that's put on stuff,"(Breitbart)
Whereas comparing Clinton to Joe McCarthy is an unabashed, straightforward insult. I see. It's what we've seen before: the Obama campaign squeezing an alleged latent insult from the maladroit remarks of someone connected to Hillary, attributing the remark to her, and then upping the ante.
Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer rejected the comparison.
"To liken these comments to McCarthyism is absurd," Singer said. He said McPeak was "clearly misinterpreting" the remarks and suggested that might be an intentional effort to divert attention from a recent controversy involving controversial statements by Obama's former pastor. (Breitbart)
And by 'clearly misinterpreting' he means 'willfully distorting.'
Don't understand any better than Obama's campaign manager why this is a dire insult to Bill Clinton? Go here or check out Wikipedia.
I've been a Clinton supporter for years and I don't really know or understand Obama, so I must say, Obama's campaign is doing everything they can to ensure that he won't be getting this Democrat's vote. And that goes double for his more deranged supporters.
In the last few weeks, his campaign, formerly touted as 'brilliant' (and used as proof by his supporters of something or other...that he's an expert at marketing his views, I guess) stands revealed as after all not really all that perceptive. After weeks of hearing ludicrous innuendos that the Clintons are 'racist' and hearing Hillary bashed for everything under the sun, her supporters have become as militant as Obama's.
Memo to Bill: I like you a lot, Bill Clinton, but it would probably be better if you just go back to keeping quiet. You've already done quite enough to help Obama. Thank you!
UPDATE: Color me surprised; Andrew Sullivan didn't see anything wrong with what Clinton said. Of course, he does go a little bit awry here, according to me:
I don't think he's implying that Obama doesn't love his country or is not devoted to the interest of this country (although you could, with some strain, parse it that way). He's actually hoping for a substantive, non-swift-boating, non-Coulter, non-Hannity campaign....Now why Clinton didn't include Obama, who is the current front-runner, and who has shown an ability to speak and talk constructively and civilly for the entire campaign, is an interesting question, isn't it? He's certainly less divisive than he or his wife. And he has just shown an ability to respond to swift-boating not by the usual Clinton defensive crouch but by tackling it head-on and winning the argument.
I think the reason that Clinton didn't include Obama is that he isn't actually campaigning for Obama. And of course, I would beg to differ with A.S. about which candidate has been constructive and civil and has shown the ability to respond to swift-boating. But that's politics for you. (See there? Constructive and civil; that's me.)
I address Sullivan's further comments about the Clinton's presumptuousness and alleged 'sense of entitlement' in having 'the gall' to ask Obama to run as VP here.
Memeorandum here.
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I'll be voting for Obama but I think McPeak should not have said what he said. It's ridiculous.
However, I'm also very tired of both Clintons unending praise of John McCain. I don't understand why they continue to build up McCain in order to tear down Obama. I just don't get it.
Posted by: Pug | March 22, 2008 at 08:57 AM
I like Senator Clinton and Senator Obama. That's why I don't like the back and forth between their campaigns. They are a FORCE together on the ticket. Plain and simple.
Posted by: T-Steel | March 22, 2008 at 10:47 AM
Read Kathleen Parker's comments (you may have to scroll down). She was there and says Bill did NOT smear anyone.
Posted by: ruthinor | March 22, 2008 at 02:55 PM
http://corner.nationalreview.com/for K. Parkers comments
Posted by: ruthinor | March 22, 2008 at 02:56 PM
Maybe I can get this right: go to:
http://corner.nationalreview.com
scroll down and read K. Parker
Posted by: ruthinor | March 22, 2008 at 02:58 PM
You seem to be applying McPeak's comments to the Obama campaign itself. I thought only the Obama campaign played that rhetorical trick! (I realize the linked report is calling him an Obama "aide", which is odd since he his no more connected to Obama than Ferraro is to Clinton.) Seriously, let's please not pretend this is an Obama talking point.
I've seen a longer clip of McPeak's comments in context, although I can't find it online anywhere (thankfully, both campaigns seem to be officially ignoring this one). He is broadly positive toward both Bill and Hillary, noting that Bill faced similar attacks in 1992. The McCarthy comment is dumb, but has been taken a bit out of context and was intended more as an analogy than as a direct attack on Bill.
This, much like Bill's original comment that led to it, seems more like a media-hyped "gotcha" moment, as oppose to an incident that means anything about anything.
Posted by: Adam | March 22, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Adam,
You just can't escape me! I think you're right about the gotcha thing -- and also that McPeak may not be speaking for the campaign (though the media certainly did impute Ferraro's words to Hill).
It is a crazy time, isn't it?
Posted by: D. Cupples | March 22, 2008 at 05:23 PM
That and any comparison (analogy) to McCarthy is pretty bad. McCarthy did horrible damage to this country.
One thing Clinton was always good at was allowing people to criticize him (even Molly Ivins said so, despite her many complaints about BC). the only time he got really upset was when the right wing made fun of a teen-aged Chelsae, which was out of bounds.
Posted by: D. Cupples | March 22, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Yeah, it's good to remember that nobody will remember stories like this one in a month.
Of course, it wasn't just the right wing making fun of Chelsea. She got some nasty attacks from SNL and others, as well. I remember people I knew (I knew a bunch of people who were two years ahead of her at Sidwell) wearing "leave Chelsea alone" T-shirts. I do get a little kick out of seeing her campaigning.
Posted by: Adam | March 22, 2008 at 05:43 PM
I had no idea non-right wingers were making fun of Chelsae. It's so weird. I mean, she was a kid.
She couldn't help going through awkward age and had no choice as to who sired and bore her. I've always felt bad for kids who get picked on.
Posted by: D. Cupples | March 22, 2008 at 06:31 PM
There was a Wayne's world sketch where Mike Myers and Dana Carvey unveiled their "Top Ten Reasons Why We're Happy Clinton Was Elected President." After drooling a bit over the Gore daughters, they took a few potshots at Chelsea's preteen looks. IIRC the worst line was "nature has thus far been... unkind". SNL later apologized and pulled the line from re-runs.
Posted by: Adam | March 22, 2008 at 06:53 PM
Adam,
You seem dialed into internet lingo. What do IIRC and IMO mean?
Posted by: D. Cupples | March 22, 2008 at 07:35 PM
LOL sorry ;)
IIRC = if I recall correctly
IMO = in my opinion (alternatively, IMHO = In my humble opinion).
Posted by: Adam | March 22, 2008 at 07:48 PM